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Jlsperanza at aol.com
Sat Jan 31 15:53:33 EST 2009
In a message dated 1/31/2009 1:01:49 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
baynesrb at yahoo.com writes:
When I tie my shoelaces, there is on the one hand the movement of my
fingers, and on the other, the movement of the laces. But is it possible to
separate these events by calling the first, alone, my action? What makes the
separation a problem
--- This reminded me of Grice's _Bootstrap_, although it's the other end of
the problem, I guess.
I would distinguish:
-- move my finger
-- move the lace
Personally, I would find it otiose to move my finger without moving the lace
1. Since it's quite a task, one can imagine a child learning to tie his shoe
by moving his finger (without actually moving the lace)
2. Similarly, some singers somplained that Bellini did not write 'songs' for
the 'human' voice. I take it that the score shows some 'movement of finger'
that when meant to accompany the voice is _unnatural_.
3. Philosophers should be well concerned, as Davidson taught us, that
co-relations between 'actions' are a trick -- and I'm not sure S. Baynes means
'trick' in a bad way in the header
4. I once read that Prince Charles never had (literally) to brush his teeth.
He would have a butler doing that for him, i.e. put the paste on the brush,
and all Charles had to do is moving the head. But we do distinguish, "Who cut
your hair?" from "I don't like the way you cut your hair" ('It wasn't me, it
was the coiffeur; I've just had the (i.e. my) hair done.
Sorry for changing the header -- feel free to ignore!
Grice's _bootstrap_ is meant to illustrate the problems perhaps pointed out
by D. Frederick: a neurologist's description of the physical even underlying
my moving the fingers may be -- at what Grice calls Level L1 -- in "Method in
philosophical psychology" -- _irrelevant_ when it comes to my _explaining_
why I moved them (Level 2). There's no sense of introducing a Level 1 that
will not allow us, later to pull ourselves, yes, by our own bootstraps?
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