baynesrb at yahoo.com
Sat Jan 31 16:39:37 EST 2009
I am so far behind, I hope you don't confuse the brevity
of my reply etc. as impertinence. I address your points in
1. Compare James on how a child learns to move its hands
with Skinner. The connection is, in my opinion, amazing.
Ideo-motor behavior requires memory of ideas acquired from
what is, essentially, Skinner's operant behavior. I stopped
reading about babies after a few hours with Alexander Shand.
Something about the arm wavings of babies...I left.
2. Bellini may not have written for the voice, but it seems
to me that most "classical" is written with the voice only
slightly in the background. I can think with any kind of
music on except where there is a voice. The voice is THE
musical instrument in some way.
3. Yeah, I meant 'trick' in a bad way. Anscombe does the
same thing and she, along with Kenny are full of tricks.
I used to play chess with a brilliant Czech player, whom
I NEVER beat. He would ask after my move "No trrricks??"
He say every one of them.
4. As for the topic of teeth and hair: both escape me!
By the way, it may interest you to know that I once
had a ms on Grice; ran about two hundred pages, working
through every detail I could as Grice refined his
meaning of 'meaning'. I had no security software. Someone
got in. Stole it and locked me out of my computer. Since
then I have become more aware of security, such being my
many Internet fiends.
--- On Sat, 1/31/09, Jlsperanza at aol.com <Jlsperanza at aol.com> wrote:
From: Jlsperanza at aol.com <Jlsperanza at aol.com>
To: hist-analytic at simplelists.co.uk
Date: Saturday, January 31, 2009, 3:53 PM
In a message dated 1/31/2009 1:01:49 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
baynesrb at yahoo.com writes:
When I tie my shoelaces, there is on the one hand the movement of my
fingers, and on the other, the movement of the laces. But is it possible to
separate these events by calling the first, alone, my action? What makes the
separation a problem
--- This reminded me of Grice's _Bootstrap_, although it's the other
the problem, I guess.
I would distinguish:
-- move my finger
-- move the lace
Personally, I would find it otiose to move my finger without moving the lace
1. Since it's quite a task, one can imagine a child learning to tie his
by moving his finger (without actually moving the lace)
2. Similarly, some singers somplained that Bellini did not write
the 'human' voice. I take it that the score shows some 'movement of
that when meant to accompany the voice is _unnatural_.
3. Philosophers should be well concerned, as Davidson taught us, that
co-relations between 'actions' are a trick -- and I'm not sure S.
'trick' in a bad way in the header
4. I once read that Prince Charles never had (literally) to brush his teeth.
He would have a butler doing that for him, i.e. put the paste on the brush,
and all Charles had to do is moving the head. But we do distinguish, "Who
your hair?" from "I don't like the way you cut your hair"
('It wasn't me, it
was the coiffeur; I've just had the (i.e. my) hair done.
Sorry for changing the header -- feel free to ignore!
Grice's _bootstrap_ is meant to illustrate the problems perhaps pointed
by D. Frederick: a neurologist's description of the physical even
my moving the fingers may be -- at what Grice calls Level L1 -- in
philosophical psychology" -- _irrelevant_ when it comes to my
why I moved them (Level 2). There's no sense of introducing a Level 1 that
will not allow us, later to pull ourselves, yes, by our own bootstraps?
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