[hist-analytic] Grotius and Grice -- (was: Bayne and Speranza)

[Jlsperanza at aol.com]

I'm glad Bayne suspects that McPherson is not fair enough with  Grotius!

>From wiki:

"[the man] laid the foundations for  international law, based on natural 
law."
 
and Grice was ALWAYS emphasing how natural things are once you look at them 
 from the naturally natural point of view.

This was the real Grice. When that infamous person wrote about the  "causes 
of death of famous philosopher" he wrote:
 
   Grice: non-natural causes

!
 
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>From wiki, on Grotius Senior:
 
"he groomed his son from an early age in a traditional humanist and  
Aristotelian education."
 
Same cannot be said of Grice. His father was dead by the time he could  
care. It was ALL Grice's mother the one to congratulate here! But yes,  he was 
groomed into a fine Aristotelian education alright.
 
Chapman notes that since Grice could not attend a proper prep, this  mother 
who ran this lah-di-dah school in the premises of his affluent mansion at  
Harborne, "would accept the Grices -- Paul and Derek" in her  classes, 
provided they would not implicate too much." (or words).
 
First google page for hits for "Grotius McPherson Hobbes" below.
 
Enjoy!

J. L. Speranza
 
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P. Zagorin 'Hobbes without Grotius' History of Political Thought  vol. ... 
Also comments on C. B. Macpherson's interpretation of Hobbes as a  
'possessive ...
_www.sps.ed.ac.uk/__data/assets/word_doc/0004/.../Core_Texts_0910.doc_ 
(http://www.sps.ed.ac.uk/__data/assets/word_doc/0004/.../Core_Texts_0910.doc) 
The  challenge of human rights: their origin, development, and ... - Google 
Books  ResultJohn Mahoney - 2007 - Political Science - 215 pages
Nevertheless, the  point is worth noting that Grotius' near-parenthesis did 
prove of ... Hobbes and  Rousseau As European philosophizing on natural 
rights  ...
books.google.com/books?isbn=1405152419...
HOBBES, LOCKE AND PROFESSOR  MACPHERSONHOBBES, LOCKE AND PROFESSOR 
MACPHERSON society would surely find  Grotius's brand of individualism a truer 
expression of his needs than Hobbes's  permanent ...
doi.wiley.com/10.1111/j.1467-923X.1964.tb01998.x
Economics  3LL3 - HobbesWhite Gent., Mr. Thomas Hobbs, and Hugo Grotius. 
.... C. B.  Macpherson, 1962, The political theory of possessive 
individualism: Hobbes to  Locke. ...
socserv.mcmaster.ca/econ/ugcm/3ll3/hobbes/index.html - Cached -  Similar
C.B. Macpherson and the problem of liberal democracy - Google Books  
ResultJules Townshend - 2000 - Political Science - 191 pages
Hobbes was  concerned with the same problems as Grotius, namely how to 
build a ... In PI as  already noted, Macpherson observed Hobbes' antipathy 
towards the  ...
books.google.com/books?isbn=1853312134...
Hugo Grotius (Stanford  Encyclopedia of Philosophy)by J Miller - 2005
When I hear Grotius praised to  the skies and Hobbes covered with 
execration I see how far ...... Macpherson,  C.B. (1962). The Political Theory of 
Possessive  ...
plato.stanford.edu/entries/grotius/ - Similar
Amazon.com: greg  taylor's review of Hobbes: A Very Short ...Tuck's volume 
on Hobbes is one of  those republications. ... highlights Hobbes 
relationship to Montaigne,  Machiavelli, Descartes and Grotius. ... Kant, the 
Utilitarians, Toennis, Leo  Strauss, C.B. Macpherson, Cassirer, Oakeshott, ...
_www.amazon.com/review/R2FHVFZY8I5HTO_ 
(http://www.amazon.com/review/R2FHVFZY8I5HTO)   - Cached
Property, mainstream and critical positions - Google Books  ResultCrawford 
Brough Macpherson - 1978 - Business & Economics - 207  pages
As previously shown, Hobbes, while professing to make all rights  dependent 
... Grotius had previously described ( 1 ) as a state of things in  which 
everyone ...
books.google.com/books?isbn=0802063365...
The  Distortions of Political Theory: The XVIIth Century Caseby L Krieger - 
1964 -  Related articles
B. Macpherson, The Political Theory of Possessive  Individualism: Hobbes 
.... read theorists of the century, may double for Grotius  and Hobbes, ...
_www.jstor.org/stable/2707902_ (http://www.jstor.org/stable/2707902) 
The  Rights To Punish and Resist Punishment in Hobbes's Leviathan 
...Grotius, Hugo.  1925. The Law of War and Peace. Trans. Francis W. Kelsey . ... 
Edited by C. B.  Macpherson. Harmondsworth: Penguin. Hobbes, Thomas. 1840.  ...
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