[hist-analytic] Uncertainty and Indeterminacy
landspeedrecord at gmail.com
Fri Jan 21 23:58:58 EST 2011
can you clarify this:
"In the case of uncertainty we may know "which way the arrows go" but we
don't know where they began: still, there are no causally "branching" event
And also which clauses in that proposition are negated to get the relevant
"partner" definition of "indeterminate"?
On Mon, Jan 17, 2011 at 4:54 PM, <Baynesr at comcast.net> wrote:
> Consider a physical system that loses information. Suppose we say this
> creates uncertainty; such as as to where we began. I claim that this is not
> to say such a system is indeterministic. But this depends on what you take
> to be indeterministic and what you take to be uncertain. Suppose that we
> think of an indeterministic system as differing from a system possessing
> uncertainty in the following respect: In the case of uncertainty we may know
> "which way the arrows go" but we don't know where they began: still, there
> are no causally "branching" event nodes.
> But now suppose we join two systems possessing such uncertainties with an
> event that "begins" two such uncertain systems. Such an event will in this
> case be binary branching; that is, we've added a new "quantity." namely an
> indeterministic state. So my claim is that two uncertain systems, in the
> sense described, can be joined but only by creating an indeterministic
> system. Thus, indeterminacy - in my sense and in this instance - results
> from joining two systems possessing uncertainty (uncertainty, perhaps, being
> described as a system where information is lost). An indeterministic system
> is one where the information is just not there. Not sure of all this,
> though. I need to take a look at some more physics before applying it to
> problems in phil. of mind.
> Steve Bayne
Pentabarf #5: A Discordian is Prohibited from Believing What he reads.
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